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	<title>Comments on: WordPress auto formatting sucks (WP developers are DUMB)</title>
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		<title>By: Thomas Bodetti</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Bodetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 21:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I really hate this issue because it creates so many problems for me, like I do a lot of iframe video embedding, well apparently with the most recent 3.2.2 update the problem is back and its better than ever, now if you try to add a video or you edit a post where an iframe of a video that already exists, is in the content, it is wiped out, just plain text now, so no html at all, I have tried four different types of editors, and different types of plugins, but nothing works, I sort of have to say you know I agree, but I want a solution, there has to be one, out there somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I really hate this issue because it creates so many problems for me, like I do a lot of iframe video embedding, well apparently with the most recent 3.2.2 update the problem is back and its better than ever, now if you try to add a video or you edit a post where an iframe of a video that already exists, is in the content, it is wiped out, just plain text now, so no html at all, I have tried four different types of editors, and different types of plugins, but nothing works, I sort of have to say you know I agree, but I want a solution, there has to be one, out there somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tee</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Tee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 11:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LoL , I was expecting your second reply when I read your first one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LoL , I was expecting your second reply when I read your first one.</p>
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		<title>By: EkDor</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>EkDor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 05:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The remove_filter code doesn&#039;t work for me. I have tried it a few times in desperation. I also tried something more complicated to a similar effect, also had no effect. I hate this so much.

I have some custom buttons that get completely stuffed up by this so called smart code. I agree it doesn&#039;t make sense what it does to my code. It adds mess all over the place. It adds a tag and then closes it with nothing in it. What&#039;s with that. I mean I have a return and they add three and some code that isn&#039;t applied to anything. I also have a couple of pages with a table in it to get some specific layout happening, but WP engine duplicates some of the text so I end up with a partial copy of some of the table content. No chance you can ever blame that on me or give me a reasonable explanation for it. It doesn&#039;t work. Simple as that it&#039;s faulty.

Additionally any advantage I may gain from turning off the visual editor is negated by the inability to do a quick format check. To add to this my authorised posters have to turn their editors off and hope they don&#039;t turn it back on. If they do and edit one of my pages they will completely kill the buttons and extra code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The remove_filter code doesn&#8217;t work for me. I have tried it a few times in desperation. I also tried something more complicated to a similar effect, also had no effect. I hate this so much.</p>
<p>I have some custom buttons that get completely stuffed up by this so called smart code. I agree it doesn&#8217;t make sense what it does to my code. It adds mess all over the place. It adds a tag and then closes it with nothing in it. What&#8217;s with that. I mean I have a return and they add three and some code that isn&#8217;t applied to anything. I also have a couple of pages with a table in it to get some specific layout happening, but WP engine duplicates some of the text so I end up with a partial copy of some of the table content. No chance you can ever blame that on me or give me a reasonable explanation for it. It doesn&#8217;t work. Simple as that it&#8217;s faulty.</p>
<p>Additionally any advantage I may gain from turning off the visual editor is negated by the inability to do a quick format check. To add to this my authorised posters have to turn their editors off and hope they don&#8217;t turn it back on. If they do and edit one of my pages they will completely kill the buttons and extra code.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2011 01:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Joomla for about a year now and recently added a WordPress blog.  If I didn&#039;t know any better, I would have thought the WordPress editor was great.  But, having experience with Joomla, another free CMS, WordPress&#039;s editor is really awful.  It&#039;s not really a true WYSWYG editor because what I write is not how it ends up looking.  It keeps flipping back and forth between visual and HTML and placing erroneous tags everywhere.  If I could figure out how to plug in the JCE editor from Joomla into WordPress, I would be a happy camper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Joomla for about a year now and recently added a WordPress blog.  If I didn&#8217;t know any better, I would have thought the WordPress editor was great.  But, having experience with Joomla, another free CMS, WordPress&#8217;s editor is really awful.  It&#8217;s not really a true WYSWYG editor because what I write is not how it ends up looking.  It keeps flipping back and forth between visual and HTML and placing erroneous tags everywhere.  If I could figure out how to plug in the JCE editor from Joomla into WordPress, I would be a happy camper.</p>
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		<title>By: Kinect Games</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Kinect Games</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the same problem and I came here for a solution.  The next page I came across mentioned that Tiny MCE Advanced which I already had installed has a setting to allow those to remain.  I just hadn&#039;t check it off in the settings.  I agree that they really should fix the issue.  Let us decide how we want to format our page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same problem and I came here for a solution.  The next page I came across mentioned that Tiny MCE Advanced which I already had installed has a setting to allow those to remain.  I just hadn&#8217;t check it off in the settings.  I agree that they really should fix the issue.  Let us decide how we want to format our page.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 06:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new to WP. After hearing for more than a year about how great WP is - how flexible and user friendly it is - I finally made the leap and decided to change my website from php update to WP.

What a nightmare. I&#039;ve spent every waking hour combing the net trying to solve one problem after another. Unbelievable what a patchwork rat&#039;s nest WP actually is. 

My latest frustration is with the WP editor. What a monumental piece of junk. I cannot believe that a platform called &quot;WORD&quot;press has such a sickly little editor. After all, isn&#039;t Wordpress supposed to be for posting TEXT to the internet?

After installing TinyMCE Advanced, I was pleased to have some of the most basic buttons added to the editor but completely crushed when I discovered that there&#039;s still no &quot;Normal&quot; setting under the Format tab. 

Every time I add text, the editor throws in lines in between text and I can&#039;t remove them AND, since the stupid editor filters all the line breaks from the HTML, I can&#039;t even fix it up on the HTML side. What&#039;s the point of having an HTML Text editor if it filters out the line breaks? I mean good God, this is TEXT we&#039;re talking about. Are line breaks kind of crucial to allowing a writer to express his/her creativity on the page?

WP does suck and now I&#039;m stuck in this labyrinth for the long haul. People bitch about having to pay for software and how Microsoft is out to rule the world and all that nonsense but, people, look at WordPress - this is what you get for free. This is what open source is all about - an unregulated animal farm with no keeper, a patchwork quilt of duck tape workarounds.

Sad and infinitely frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new to WP. After hearing for more than a year about how great WP is &#8211; how flexible and user friendly it is &#8211; I finally made the leap and decided to change my website from php update to WP.</p>
<p>What a nightmare. I&#8217;ve spent every waking hour combing the net trying to solve one problem after another. Unbelievable what a patchwork rat&#8217;s nest WP actually is. </p>
<p>My latest frustration is with the WP editor. What a monumental piece of junk. I cannot believe that a platform called &#8220;WORD&#8221;press has such a sickly little editor. After all, isn&#8217;t WordPress supposed to be for posting TEXT to the internet?</p>
<p>After installing TinyMCE Advanced, I was pleased to have some of the most basic buttons added to the editor but completely crushed when I discovered that there&#8217;s still no &#8220;Normal&#8221; setting under the Format tab. </p>
<p>Every time I add text, the editor throws in lines in between text and I can&#8217;t remove them AND, since the stupid editor filters all the line breaks from the HTML, I can&#8217;t even fix it up on the HTML side. What&#8217;s the point of having an HTML Text editor if it filters out the line breaks? I mean good God, this is TEXT we&#8217;re talking about. Are line breaks kind of crucial to allowing a writer to express his/her creativity on the page?</p>
<p>WP does suck and now I&#8217;m stuck in this labyrinth for the long haul. People bitch about having to pay for software and how Microsoft is out to rule the world and all that nonsense but, people, look at WordPress &#8211; this is what you get for free. This is what open source is all about &#8211; an unregulated animal farm with no keeper, a patchwork quilt of duck tape workarounds.</p>
<p>Sad and infinitely frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nevermind...WP still manages to screw it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind&#8230;WP still manages to screw it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The auto-formatting is definitely a nightmare.  Anytime you switch between code and the visual editor, God only knows what&#039;s going to happen.  It turns a completely simple task into three times the amount of work it should be.
I couldn&#039;t just switch off the visual editor, because the whole point of utilizing Wordpress was to allow my client to do her own edits, and she doesn&#039;t know the first thing about code.
I&#039;ve since installed the PS Disable Auto Formatting plugin, and it seems to be behaving much better, including switching between the two.  I&#039;ve created a test page and edited it several times and I didn&#039;t encounter any bizarro random tags or mysteriously erased line breaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The auto-formatting is definitely a nightmare.  Anytime you switch between code and the visual editor, God only knows what&#8217;s going to happen.  It turns a completely simple task into three times the amount of work it should be.<br />
I couldn&#8217;t just switch off the visual editor, because the whole point of utilizing WordPress was to allow my client to do her own edits, and she doesn&#8217;t know the first thing about code.<br />
I&#8217;ve since installed the PS Disable Auto Formatting plugin, and it seems to be behaving much better, including switching between the two.  I&#8217;ve created a test page and edited it several times and I didn&#8217;t encounter any bizarro random tags or mysteriously erased line breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Saunders</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really gotta agree with the OP. WP formatting is a complete nightmare!
Even worse is if you try and import something from office 2007 to WP,  tags everywhere!
But I can&#039;t disable  the auto formatting because other people are using the same account and have no problem with it (of course they also claim there isn&#039;t a problem with office 2007 so maybe Im just overly sensative?).

Anyway, I&#039;ve had some success (Still takes me far to long to clean up afterwards though) placing the pictures in first and then pasting stuff in (from a txt file).
The other thing is that WP will delete formatting in the order you change it. What I mean by that is you need to make ALL your changes before saving or switching to design view. If you come back to change one thing it&#039;ll delete all the formating again...

What I really don&#039;t get about the whole sittuation is that this is the industry format blog, but barely anyone ever mentions this as a problem!
I actually think It would actually be easier to work from scratch (And thats including teaching the rest of the office how to use some simple HTML!).
(If you haven&#039;t guessed I&#039;m not a fan of all the proprietry formatting companies think we need).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really gotta agree with the OP. WP formatting is a complete nightmare!<br />
Even worse is if you try and import something from office 2007 to WP,  tags everywhere!<br />
But I can&#8217;t disable  the auto formatting because other people are using the same account and have no problem with it (of course they also claim there isn&#8217;t a problem with office 2007 so maybe Im just overly sensative?).</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve had some success (Still takes me far to long to clean up afterwards though) placing the pictures in first and then pasting stuff in (from a txt file).<br />
The other thing is that WP will delete formatting in the order you change it. What I mean by that is you need to make ALL your changes before saving or switching to design view. If you come back to change one thing it&#8217;ll delete all the formating again&#8230;</p>
<p>What I really don&#8217;t get about the whole sittuation is that this is the industry format blog, but barely anyone ever mentions this as a problem!<br />
I actually think It would actually be easier to work from scratch (And thats including teaching the rest of the office how to use some simple HTML!).<br />
(If you haven&#8217;t guessed I&#8217;m not a fan of all the proprietry formatting companies think we need).</p>
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		<title>By: Zahid Rouf</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Zahid Rouf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for those tools to disable auto-formating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for those tools to disable auto-formating.</p>
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		<title>By: eBar Solutions</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>eBar Solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 21:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antonio I think that the rant has some merit. Especially it you are looking to utilize some of the added functionality that Wordpress is supposed to offer such as shortcodes, you should not have to constantly battle this erroneous code being added to the pages of many of our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ebarsolutions.com/services/custom-blog-design/&quot; title=&quot;custom blog design&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;custom blog design&lt;/a&gt; projects.

Overall the default Wordpress user does need these spacing additions to easily and efficiently jump in and crate posts without having to worry about coding but certainly some better recognition of shortcode sections and such would be a welcome addition should Wordpress be looking to improve upon the core of its advanced users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antonio I think that the rant has some merit. Especially it you are looking to utilize some of the added functionality that WordPress is supposed to offer such as shortcodes, you should not have to constantly battle this erroneous code being added to the pages of many of our <a href="http://www.ebarsolutions.com/services/custom-blog-design/" title="custom blog design" rel="nofollow">custom blog design</a> projects.</p>
<p>Overall the default WordPress user does need these spacing additions to easily and efficiently jump in and crate posts without having to worry about coding but certainly some better recognition of shortcode sections and such would be a welcome addition should WordPress be looking to improve upon the core of its advanced users.</p>
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		<title>By: mr m.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mr m.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use WordPress for serious web development, it&#039;s a great CMS solution for small businesses.  And I have to say, the auto-formatting logic is really, really not a good thing at all.  It is impossible to turn off, and ends up causing all kinds of problems with the presentation of content.  With a CMS, the idea is that my clients can manage their own content without knowing code.  But because of this silly autoformatting nonsense, they are always calling me to clean up their posts.  And since I gave them the solution, I can&#039;t very will BILL for the time: it is seen by them as necessary support for a product which, effectively, doesn&#039;t do what they paid for.  Not good.  WP: let us disable this crazy feature.  It makes no sense how you implemented it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use WordPress for serious web development, it&#8217;s a great CMS solution for small businesses.  And I have to say, the auto-formatting logic is really, really not a good thing at all.  It is impossible to turn off, and ends up causing all kinds of problems with the presentation of content.  With a CMS, the idea is that my clients can manage their own content without knowing code.  But because of this silly autoformatting nonsense, they are always calling me to clean up their posts.  And since I gave them the solution, I can&#8217;t very will BILL for the time: it is seen by them as necessary support for a product which, effectively, doesn&#8217;t do what they paid for.  Not good.  WP: let us disable this crazy feature.  It makes no sense how you implemented it.</p>
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		<title>By: arm</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 22:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you think people should say nothing about things that drive them mad? Just because they are free? It&#039;s because people bitch about annoying things that those things get fixed. The Z gave a solution that I really thank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think people should say nothing about things that drive them mad? Just because they are free? It&#8217;s because people bitch about annoying things that those things get fixed. The Z gave a solution that I really thank.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Boy</title>
		<link>http://antonio.rojilla.com/2010/07/19/wordpress-auto-formatting-sucks-wp-developers-are-dumb/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 05:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you get a free thing and you are complaining like a bitch just because you found a little problem with this. just don&#039;t use wp you moron!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you get a free thing and you are complaining like a bitch just because you found a little problem with this. just don&#8217;t use wp you moron!!</p>
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		<title>By: the Z</title>
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		<dc:creator>the Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just add this to function.php in your theme.
&lt;code&gt;
remove_filter(&#039;the_content&#039;, &#039;wptexturize&#039;);
remove_filter(&#039;the_excerpt&#039;, &#039;wptexturize&#039;);
&lt;/code&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just add this to function.php in your theme.<br />
<code><br />
remove_filter('the_content', 'wptexturize');<br />
remove_filter('the_excerpt', 'wptexturize');<br />
</code></p>
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		<title>By: Upgrading WordPress will upgrade the default theme&#8230; why? &#124; Antonio Rojilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Upgrading WordPress will upgrade the default theme&#8230; why? &#124; Antonio Rojilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said it before: WordPress developers are dumb. And I have to say it again: fuck you WordPress developers. Fuck [...]</description>
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